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		<title>By: Common Sense with Paul Jacob - Brought to You by Citizens in Charge Foundation &#187; Archive &#187; Term Limits “versus” Informed Citizens?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common Sense with Paul Jacob - Brought to You by Citizens in Charge Foundation &#187; Archive &#187; Term Limits “versus” Informed Citizens?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his commentary “Term Limits Are a Poor Substitute for an Informed Electorate,” blogger Andy Sochor repeats a familiar claim: That formally term-limiting political tenure [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, as I said in my previous comment, I&#039;m not opposed to legislated term limits per se. You are correct that legislated term limits and an informed electorate are not mutually exclusive. But neither are they inherently connected. Unless the public is informed and engaged, term limits will only produce so much improvement. Believe me, I certainly see the potential benefits of term limits. But you have to have the people informed and engaged first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, as I said in my previous comment, I&#8217;m not opposed to legislated term limits per se. You are correct that legislated term limits and an informed electorate are not mutually exclusive. But neither are they inherently connected. Unless the public is informed and engaged, term limits will only produce so much improvement. Believe me, I certainly see the potential benefits of term limits. But you have to have the people informed and engaged first.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elections are not &quot;term limits.&quot; Term limits are a definite legal cap on tenure.

You seem to be assuming that an informed electorate and institutional features that abet a healthy democracy are somehow mutually exclusive rather than mutually reinforcing.  The institutions, habits and values of culture and society are a complex web. It&#039;s not as if only one strand always does only one job. It is true enough that a public that more strongly and consistently believes in freedom will be better able to thwart statist and corrupt office-holders, because better equipped ethically and intellectually. But a better equipped citizenry will also be more effective if it has more robust institutional avenues through which to act. Why disparage the relevance of any set of important societal factors conditioning political and other social change?

Term limits are not a substitute for any other necessary ingredient for either a healthy democracy or a free society. (See Paul Jacob&#039;s recent commentary on your post: http://thisiscommonsense.com/?p=5966) But there is nothing whatever about term limits that _prevents_ anybody from either informing himself about political issues and political philosophy, or from active political participation. Indeed, term limits increase the opportunities for political participation. 

Your post argues effectively enough against the straw man that term limits are a &quot;panacea&quot; when it comes to bad political trends. But although one might see an assumption like that in a casual letter to the editor, the long-term and dedicated advocates of term limits with which I am best acquainted do not make or imply any such thing. And the fact that term limits cannot substitute for other necessary cultural and ideological factors enabling healthy does not render the reform irrelevant. Might we not have been better off if Ted Kennedy had left the Senate twelve years after joining instead of, what was it, 46 years? Suppose the Massachusetts voting public had been more pro-liberty AND senatorial tenure had been term limited? Bad combination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elections are not &#8220;term limits.&#8221; Term limits are a definite legal cap on tenure.</p>
<p>You seem to be assuming that an informed electorate and institutional features that abet a healthy democracy are somehow mutually exclusive rather than mutually reinforcing.  The institutions, habits and values of culture and society are a complex web. It&#8217;s not as if only one strand always does only one job. It is true enough that a public that more strongly and consistently believes in freedom will be better able to thwart statist and corrupt office-holders, because better equipped ethically and intellectually. But a better equipped citizenry will also be more effective if it has more robust institutional avenues through which to act. Why disparage the relevance of any set of important societal factors conditioning political and other social change?</p>
<p>Term limits are not a substitute for any other necessary ingredient for either a healthy democracy or a free society. (See Paul Jacob&#8217;s recent commentary on your post: <a href="http://thisiscommonsense.com/?p=5966)" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/thisiscommonsense.com');">http://thisiscommonsense.com/?p=5966)</a> But there is nothing whatever about term limits that _prevents_ anybody from either informing himself about political issues and political philosophy, or from active political participation. Indeed, term limits increase the opportunities for political participation. </p>
<p>Your post argues effectively enough against the straw man that term limits are a &#8220;panacea&#8221; when it comes to bad political trends. But although one might see an assumption like that in a casual letter to the editor, the long-term and dedicated advocates of term limits with which I am best acquainted do not make or imply any such thing. And the fact that term limits cannot substitute for other necessary cultural and ideological factors enabling healthy does not render the reform irrelevant. Might we not have been better off if Ted Kennedy had left the Senate twelve years after joining instead of, what was it, 46 years? Suppose the Massachusetts voting public had been more pro-liberty AND senatorial tenure had been term limited? Bad combination?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks for the comment. Your points are valid. Power corrupts and incumbents have an advantage over challengers. But why do they have this advantage? Ultimately it comes down to the fact that the public, as a whole, lets them have this advantage. Term limits already exist. The public has a chance, at each and every election, to remove those who have become corrupt and are no longer representing their constituents and upholding the Constitution.

Now, would I be opposed to legislation which enacted fixed term limits? No, I would not. Like you said, it can be a good way to increase involvement by more people. But, without an informed electorate, who&#039;s to say the new representatives would be better than the old ones? Term limits are well and good. But you must have an informed electorate first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks for the comment. Your points are valid. Power corrupts and incumbents have an advantage over challengers. But why do they have this advantage? Ultimately it comes down to the fact that the public, as a whole, lets them have this advantage. Term limits already exist. The public has a chance, at each and every election, to remove those who have become corrupt and are no longer representing their constituents and upholding the Constitution.</p>
<p>Now, would I be opposed to legislation which enacted fixed term limits? No, I would not. Like you said, it can be a good way to increase involvement by more people. But, without an informed electorate, who&#8217;s to say the new representatives would be better than the old ones? Term limits are well and good. But you must have an informed electorate first.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Term limits versus an informed citizenry is a false alternative. It&#039;s a well-documented fact that incumbents enjoy enormous advantages over challengers, especially in district-level elections. Power also tends to corrupt. The Cato Institute and others have shown the increased tendency of elected officials who were initially fiscal conservative to progressively abandon their reserve with other people&#039;s money the longer they&#039;re in office. It is also well established that term limits do increase electoral competition and opportunities for newcomers to politics in term-limited state legislatures. There is nothing about term limits that either encourages or requires voters to become uninformed about candidates and policy. It is unwarranted to assume that because no one particular institutional feature of democratic governance can serve as a cure-all against corruption and bad governance that such features are not individually important at all. We don&#039;t need constitutions if all we need is an informed citizenry. As for the Founders&#039; omission of term limits in our own Constitution, it can only be conceded that the Founders were not infallible, and some thought that omission an error (Jefferson, for one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Term limits versus an informed citizenry is a false alternative. It&#8217;s a well-documented fact that incumbents enjoy enormous advantages over challengers, especially in district-level elections. Power also tends to corrupt. The Cato Institute and others have shown the increased tendency of elected officials who were initially fiscal conservative to progressively abandon their reserve with other people&#8217;s money the longer they&#8217;re in office. It is also well established that term limits do increase electoral competition and opportunities for newcomers to politics in term-limited state legislatures. There is nothing about term limits that either encourages or requires voters to become uninformed about candidates and policy. It is unwarranted to assume that because no one particular institutional feature of democratic governance can serve as a cure-all against corruption and bad governance that such features are not individually important at all. We don&#8217;t need constitutions if all we need is an informed citizenry. As for the Founders&#8217; omission of term limits in our own Constitution, it can only be conceded that the Founders were not infallible, and some thought that omission an error (Jefferson, for one).</p>
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